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Wednesday, July 30, 2008

House Apologizes for Slavery

I agree with apologizing to the Japanese-American's for the time they were held in the detention camps during World War II... especially to those who had nothing to do with the war. There still needed to be some form of detention because we were suddenly at war with Japan and didn't know who to trust. I read today that 60,000 of these detainees were alive during the time of the apology and each received $20,000 from the government. I don't know if that was a necessary step because money, although nice to have, doesn't really make for an apology... it seems more like a bribe to me.

Today the House of Representatives passed a resolution apologizing to African-Americans for slavery. It did not go into details about reparations but turns out that some people are asking for cash payments to descendants of slaves to compensate for the suffering caused by slavery.

Does anyone else see a difference? Slavery was abolished in the United States in 1865. There is no doubt that there were residual affects from slavery and it took time for things to straighten out and for people to accept the change. The difference is that those detained during World War II were still alive when the apology was given... those in slavery have long moved on to Heaven and I dont see how their descendents should receive money from the government. Only a very few people owned slaves (about 8%) and those were very rich... and not all slaves were black. We also had indentured servitude... the main difference was that an indentured servant was under a signed contract for a period of time in exchange for food, clothing, lodging, etc.

The catch was that most of them ended up in so much debt with their employer that they could never leave because they would have their debt forgiven in exchange for an extension on the period of the contract. This could and would go on continuously. They were subject to violence, abuse and other forms of mistreatment.

I have mixed feelings about this apology. Are we purposely going through our entire history and apologizing one by one to all of the individuals who were ever hurt by any one? I don't know the history of all of our apologies... have we said sorry to the Chinese and the Welsh and the Irish?

And what about all of the free blacks who owned slaves? Most schools teach that white men owned black men and women but never really mention that there were slaves of other nationality and that some American Indians and free American Blacks owned slaves as well. Can we go back and demand that the descendants of those individuals come forward and apologize?

It seems to me that America is being pin-pointed as the evil slave owning jerks of the world. From the 16th to the 19th centuries, 12 million black Africans were shipped to the Americas and about 5 1/2% landed in the United States. Most were shipped to Brazil.

Maybe Brazil is the evil slave owning country of the world... perhaps they should apologize to us for letting us take all the blame.

Tuesday, July 29, 2008

The Liberal's Curse

The comments below by Anonymous were made on my "voting machine" post... not sure why he or she choose to make these comments there but, because of it, I am re-posting them here so I can respond in kind. My original post regarding the article is found here.

Anonymous:
Bug Drivel. At least you admit it. I hope Obama puts you in the gulag when he founds the USSA (United Socialist States of America). Better yet, just terminate you outright.

Obama a socialist? PLEASE!?!?! I have never read anything as idiotic as the DRIVEL you post to the NY Times. My most very favorite thing about the coming Obama presidency? How awful if makes you feel. I hope you suffer a full 8 years.


Bug:
Hello Anonymous… I wonder how many other authors off that one NY Times article you searched down in order to make such a very worthy comment as this one; probably only those that didn’t fall in line with your own opinions.

Thing is, Anon… can I call you Anon… you will more than likely never see this response as you’re probably just a one-time comment bomber without the decency to at least tell us who you are or maybe include a link to your own blog of intellect... where you may change my mind if you're good enough. Give it a shot... we could turn into best buddies.

Clearly from your first wee paragraph, you also believe Obama will lead us straight into socialism… or at least start the process. His ideas and his plan of action is to make us one big happy “everyone is on the same rung of the ladder” family.

I love hate letters… thank you for your desire to see me suffer and feel bad. Thing is… I don’t feel bad about Obama… if he’s president, then I will respect him the way I respect other presidents… unless of course has “sexual relations with that woman”. Oh... that reminds me... I heard some guy on the radio bashing McCain because he has been divorced and yet he supported Bill Clinton even after all the scandals. Hypocrisy is grotesque.

One thing I would like to point out, if I might, is that my comments are not idiotic (sticks and stones). What they represent is my freedom of speech and the fact you need to hunt me down and threaten me with thoughts of what Obama might do to me if he’s president, only proves how horribly insecure individuals, much like yourself, truly are. I posted my opinion but never searched out anyone else. I don’t care if you think Obama is the ultimate president… as we ALL know… history will be the only true proof. Bush has made good decisions and some pretty bad ones… history will express it all; unless of course the liberals get their hands on the history books and rewrite them. Darn… I just gave them an idea.

My question is... if McCain is president and is outrageously successful (in areas you care about) can you then admit you're wrong? If Obama is president and pulls that out of his ass... then I will admit I am wrong. I have no issue with admitting when I'm wrong... nor do I have a problem shouting out when I'm right.

Monday, July 28, 2008

Obama Headlines

Here's an piece from the New York Times Opinion Page.

Did Obama Overstay? - article by Dan Schnur July 28, 2008

Below is a copy of this article because lately, when I link to articles, they magically disappear from the websites.

What I find fascinating is the fact this article is NOT raising Obama to the level of benevolent god. There are tons of headlines favoring Obama and tons that seem to ridicule McCain. Some would say that means Obama and McCain deserve what they get... I mean, they must be doing SOMETHING to get this kind of attention, right?

It's much like listening to a parent go on and on about how wonderful their child is when you know for a fact he's a little brat at school who picks on other kids, cheats in class and throws T.P. into the neighbor's trees. But mom and dad are so proud of him that they can't see what he's "really" doing... had to have been some other kid who tossed that crap into the trees. And obviously the other kids are just jealous of him and that's why they're making up stories about how their loving angel broke the school windows... couldn't have been him... must have been little Johnny down the street.

That's what Obama has become... the liberal's "loving angel" who has had adversity after adversity thrown at him because of this factor or that factor. It's not his fault... and so what if there was a discrepancy in what he told Americans... it was just for the greater good. Besides... it was little Johnny McCain who probably started that rumor... Barrack would never do that bad thing!!

I honestly don't know how good McCain will do as president... but he has more experience than Barrack and his feet seem more secure to the ground. If Obama is president, who knows if we'll ever land on our feet again... but we may be forced to learn five languages in countries we will never visit... you know, just in case!

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[At many levels, Barack Obama’s overseas tour could have been categorized as a political victory before it even began. The Iraqi prime minister had just announced support for a time line similar to Mr. Obama’s plan for early American troop withdrawal, the Bush Administration had sent a representative to multination talks with Iran, and a growing military and political consensus had emerged as to the need for a greater military presence in Afghanistan.

In other words, the three most important pillars of Mr. Obama’s international platform had been endorsed from a variety of unexpected sources. That’s a pretty good way to start a trip designed to deal with questions about a candidate’s understanding of foreign policy and national security.

But as every junior political operative knows, it’s all about the photos, which means that the real value of Mr. Obama’s trip was the visual reinforcement of too-good-to-be-true images he accumulated along the way. Many American voters read about his policy and political achievements in print. But a much larger audience saw footage of the Democratic nominee meeting with Hamid Karzai, president of Afghanistan, and Iraq’s prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki; taking a helicopter ride with Gen. David Petraeus; and sinking a three-point shot on a basketball court on a United States military installation in Kuwait.

Before Mr. Obama’s plane left American airspace 10 days ago, polls showed that voters strongly preferred John McCain because of his knowledge on foreign affairs and his preparedness to be commander in chief. By the time Mr. Obama returned home this past weekend, that steady stream of photos with military and political leaders probably raised voters’ comfort level with him on this front.

Iraq and Afghanistan are the two foreign policy matters of greatest and most immediate concern to American voters, so it was of critical importance that Mr. Obama visit those two countries. Despite some verbal gymnastics on questions related to his opposition to the United States troop surge, this part of the trip was a home run. But the weeklong journey was actually three separate trips, each with a different impact on the American electorate. The trip’s second segment, which took Mr. Obama to Jordan and Israel, was essentially a draw. His visit to Israel was an exercise in diplomatic survival at best: no setbacks but no real gains either. And the scenic backdrop of his news conference in Jordan was probably offset by the reporting of his ride to the airport in King Abdullah’s Mercedes 600 Series sports car.

The third part of the expedition — Germany, France and England — was the least helpful to him. Indeed, as the week wore on, the beneficial news coverage that Mr. Obama received on earlier stops began to fade. Just as the United States news media had reacted to Hillary Clinton’s complaints and “Saturday Night Live”’s parodies last spring by toughening up on Mr. Obama during the final weeks of the primary campaign, another mini-backlash developed as this trip reached its final destinations. By this past weekend, news stories used words like “defend” and “rebut” to characterize Mr. Obama’s own statements about the trip. The candidate himself began to acknowledge that many voters might not see the benefits in his being out of the country for such an extended period.

The controversy over the campaign’s decision to cancel a visit with wounded American troops in Germany didn’t help matters, especially given the photograph that emerged of the candidate heading into the hotel gym at the Berlin Ritz-Carlton. But the bigger problem is that it wasn’t as clear what the final stops were designed to accomplish. Voters understood that Mr. Obama went to Afghanistan and Iraq to show them that he was prepared to be their commander in chief. But his visits to London and Paris didn’t seem quite so urgent. Proving his foreign policy knowledge in the world’s hot spots was necessary: playing diplomat in Western Europe looked premature.

For most of the week, Mr. Obama deftly walked a fine line between statesman and show-off, between interloper and leader. On balance, he took great strides toward addressing voter concerns about his national security capabilities. Score the week a win for the Democrats, but like many tourists who traveled overseas this summer, Mr. Obama may have stayed too long. ]

Sunday, July 27, 2008

Obama's Socialistic Speech

I read Obama's speech of July 24th, 2008 in Berlin. It was impressive... it was massive... and it was full of issues to please as many people as possible while slipping in small things... small sentences that meant something more individually than the speech as a whole. It was like taking a poll wherein you're going along answering questions... and then... all of a sudden there's a question that doesn't have anything to do with the topic. The little red flag appears and you tear up the whole thing and toss it away... I don't have time for trickery.

His speech was impressive... but it was full of trickery.

[I know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city. The journey that led me here is improbable. My mother was born in the heartland of America, but my father grew up herding goats in Kenya. His father -- my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British. ]

Why doesn't he look like other Americans who have spoken there before him? Because he uses the word "look", I can only assume he literally means he doesn't LOOK like others who have been there. So what is it about the way he looks that is so different? His height? His weight? His lack of piercings? His eyes... do his eyes somehow not look American? He has that little mole on his face... is that what he means? He wears a lot of suits... I don't wear suits... does that make him or me look less American? What about his teeth... have you seen his teeth... man they are the most pearly white teeth I've seen in a long time, unless you're talking about actors and models... is he an actor... hmmm.

Yes... he is an actor and he uses his stage to the best advantage he can. His latest stage was in Berlin where Ronald Reagan stood... and in a less threatening, less hostile environment. Ronald Reagan was a magnificent man who earned that label. Barrack Obama has not earned the right to be called magnificent. And it doesn't matter if you put a picture of Reagan and a picture of Obama side by side... they both LOOK American; the question is... how are their actions American... how are their words heard to be a true American. Obama uses words to make him seem more enlightened and more appealing to the American public (and for some odd reason he seems to think he needs that from the German people as well). Reagan used words to change a world... and did it! Obama tosses pretty, flowery words out and hopes something he says will change some one's mind to swing his way... hell, I felt his speech was impressive, remember. It was an ego stroker... insulting.

[This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many. Together, we must forge trade that truly rewards the work that creates wealth, with meaningful protections for our people and our planet. This is the moment for trade that is free and fair for all. ]

Can you say SOCIALISM? Obama wants us to create wealth as a whole and share it equally with everyone else so that everyone has the same amount of wealth (which can be broken down into money, homes, autos, electronics, clothing, etc.). And if Obama gets his way and everyone has the same amount of wealth (the amount would of course be dictated by the government) then you can bet he would make sure we only have those items deemed "appropriate" to own b the government. So... we would all have whatever automobiles the environmentalists want us to have... our houses would be the size deemed appropriate for the size of our families... and sooner or later (I mean... why not) we may be told what to wear.

[This is the moment when we must renew the goal of a world without nuclear weapons. The two superpowers that faced each other across the wall of this city came too close too often to destroying all we have built and all that we love. With that wall gone, we need not stand idly by and watch the further spread of the deadly atom. It is time to secure all loose nuclear materials; to stop the spread of nuclear weapons; and to reduce the arsenals from another era. This is the moment to begin the work of seeking the peace of a world without nuclear weapons.]
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[...Sixty years after the airlift, we are called upon again. History has led us to a new crossroad, with new promise and new peril. When you, the German people, tore down that wall -- a wall that divided East and West; freedom and tyranny; fear and hope -- walls came tumbling down around the world.]

Hidden within the first paragraph of wanting to rid the world of nuclear weapons, is a moment when it seems that Obama is stating that America once tried to destroy Germany as a sideline to fighting the Soviet Union... as if we would have just allowed Germany to be destroyed in order to destroy the USSR.

In the second paragraph, he proclaims that the German people tore down the wall... neglecting to mention that a once magnificent man stood in Germany and demanded that the wall be torn down... and it indeed was torn down. Again... America had a great part in this and we did not just let our "suggested" desire for power or world dominance lead to Germany's destruction. America is a great country and being a super power is not an embarrassment nor is it a horrible, evil thing to be. We are the most giving country in the world... but if Obama and his side-kicks get control, he will lead us into a world of Socialism, where what is mine and what is yours is truly the government's in the guise of distributing equally to all Americans regardless of ambition.

And that... sadly, but truthfully... will lead us directly into Communism where there is nothing for the people and everything for the government. We will own nothing and have nothing to give... charity will be erased from the dictionary replaced with nothing but FORCED TOLLERANCE.

... and as an after thought... how "giving and charitable" are socialist and communist governments? Do other countries truly believe that America will be MORE giving to the world if we are NOT a democracy where individuals can send their own wealth, of any size, to other countries if they so CHOOSE. We will have nothing to give as "the people of America". We will be helpless, imprisoned and bitter... we will hoard everything we can get our hands on and we will hide in our homes and keep everything to our self, for fear of it being taken away.

Socialism and communism PRETENDS to care... democracies do.

The Obama Speech Transcript: Berlin

The following are different web locations of Obama's speech. I have not read through each one of them to check for differences, however I did notice that there was a different in the last paragraph from one site to another. Please feel free to compare the speeches as much as you like... I'm content to just read one. :o)

Last sentence of Obama's speech (Glenn Beck's Site):

[People of Berlin -- and people of the world -- the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. Let us build on our common history, and seize our common destiny, and once again engage in that noble struggle to bring justice and peace to our world.]

Or maybe this is the last sentence (The Huffington Post Site):

[People of Berlin - and people of the world - the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye toward the future, with resolve in our hearts, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again.]

These guys agree with Huffington The New York Times:

[People of Berlin – and people of the world – the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye toward the future, with resolve in our hearts, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again.]

Again... this one matches the two previous Fox News:

[People of Berlin and people of the world, the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye towards the future, with resolve in our heart, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again.]

I wonder why Glenn Beck's is so different than all of the others... he did mention there was at least one thing that was on the original script that Obama did not say word-for-word. I wonder if this was another area where he made a last minute change.

Friday, July 25, 2008

Monopoly - Democracy to Socialism to Communism

Today my son learned about three different societies: Democracy, socialism and communism. His economics teacher had a special monopoly game planned for the class.

When they started, the society was a democracy and the game played with the normal rules. Everyone could buy, sell or trade properties, including railroads and utilities. When they passed GO, they collected $200 and could gain a bonus amount by landing on Free Parking.

My son decided to trade for a railroad so that on his next turn, he could trade it to another kid who had the other three railroads. After everyone had build up their fortunes a bit, the teacher came over and proclaimed they were now playing socialist monopoly. All railroads and utilities were taken over by the government and thus anytime anyone landed there, they paid the government. When they passed GO, they collected $150 and landing on Free Parking got them nothing.

Things continued along and my son decided to compile his money into mostly $500 dollar bills... so as not to have so much cash. After a bit, the teacher came over again and declared it to be a communist society and all properties were controlled by the government and they seized all $500 dollar bills (lol). Everyone paid the government for landing anywhere on the board. Each player collected $100 for passing GO and was allowed to remove one property that used to belong to them so as to lower payments in the future. The only people protected from owing the government any money were those in jail. How ironic.

Eventually, the teacher came over and declared that the people overthrew the government and it was now a democracy again. Everyone distributed properties but not necessarily what they had before turning communist.

End of Game.

The lesson: the teacher explained that societies often start out as democracies and over time, turn to socialism and then eventually, right into communism. He said that our society is currently somewhere between a democracy and socialism right now because the people are not completely in control but instead share the control with the government.

YouTube Communist Monopoly

My Opinion:

Our country is leaning more and more towards socialism as the government steps in and takes over different aspects of our society. They use the guise of bailing our citizens out of crisis after crisis. Often... truth be told... our government not only causes the crisis... but plots them out years in advance in order to gain more control of the people and take more away from us.

Do we really have to go through hundreds of years of these different forms of societies as my son's teacher suggests may happen? Are we really so short sighted that we can't see what's happening before our very eyes? I think it could happen just because the average person (me included) doesn't really know how one or two items can really change our society. "We're just giving up a little bit of our freedom... just a tid bit of our rights... it's no big deal".

Really? No big deal to give up our rights so the government can become a looming force in our country? The government was created to protect the people... not control them. And NO... protecting me from my own mistakes is not a necessity of my government. Get out of my head, heart, home and family.

Thursday, July 24, 2008

Obama Dis's US Military Troops

Obama decides not to visit our US troops in Germany because he felt the visit would be considered a campaign event. His apparent reasons for going to visit them originally was to show his "appreciation" for our troops.

I agree fully with Brian Rogers, a spokesman for Senator John McCain who said "Barack Obama is wrong. It is never inappropriate to visit our men and women in the military."

Why was it appropriate to visit the combat support hospital in Baghdad? What made this trip to Lundstuhl Regional Medical Center off limits? What's up with this bull about "not" going out of respect for the servicemen and women stating it "would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign."

Oh... and to those people who think going to visit our military troops is just a "photo-op"... shame on you. There may be some politicians out there who think like that but it's funny how so many liberals have to say something bad... anything bad... about the Republican party, even if it contradicts what their own candidate does. If Obama WENT to see the troops, they would say he was a hero... if Obama DOES NOT go and states it would be abusing them, they would say he was a hero. Where do you stand? Is it a good idea to show respect to those who stand up and fight for your country or not? You can't have it both ways.

I say that it's a good idea to visit our troops, especially if you're already there. It doesn't matter if it's a democrat, republican, independent, libertarian... it just doesn't matter. If you are there and you have the clearance... you should go. If I were there and I had the ability, I would go. It's easy to say that because more thank likely, I would not be permitted... but if I could... I would go!!

Monday, July 21, 2008

What's worse than Obama? Letting him be President of our NOW great country.

I found these great videos on YouTube of Jackie Mason on the subject of Obama's flip flopping, his use of the race card and the Obama Press Club.

Obama's Flip Flops ~ Wow... is there anything that Obama has NOT flip flopped on? Iran is not a threat yet somehow they are a great threat. Sending in 20k troops would not work yet sending in 30k will somehow make it all good. He is not to be trusted.

You Better Not Mention Obama ~ "Obama is trying to win this election through your silence". If we mention Obama in a negative way, we are chastized and told we're racists. He's a liar but bringing it up to him is wrong... he turns it around and says "how dare you". Jackie Mason calls him a fake and fraud and says he will say it because this is still a free country whether Obama likes it or not. I agree... Obama is trying to change this country into a place without freedom and WHEN he loses he will claim it was a rigged election... and "how dare we" not elect him.

Obama's Press Club ~ Amazing how the press mentions hundreds of wonderful things about Obama and express so many bad things about McCain. McCain has become a bad word while Obama is somehow the greatest cult leader in the world. Ooops... did I just call Obama a cult leader? How do we get our voices heard... buy a newspaper or radio station. How free are we?

Friday, July 18, 2008

Pelosi the 4th Grader

An Article: Pelosi's Bush Bashing

The Video: Video

"You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the economy, on the war, on energy, you name the subject,"

[Nancy Pelosi is an embarrassment to her position as House Speaker. Lashing out at the President and blaming him for everything. Her comments come after President Bush criticized the Congress for not doing their job. Seems to me she's a little 4th grade girl with her back against the wall, kicking, scratching and blaming everyone else.]

"...For him to be challenging Congress when we are trying to sweep up after his mess over and over and over again -- at the end of the day, Congress will have passed its responsibility to pass legislation," Pelosi said.

[That's right... point your finger at the President and get everyone to take their eyes off of you; your an embarrassment to me as a woman. I can't tell you how much I hate that saying... "at the end of the day"... it's annoying, it's frustrating and it is a way of talking down to others. Why not just say "when it's all said and done" or "the big picture" or something that makes more sense. At the end of the day? Why not the end of the year or the end of time? Why does it have to be the end of the day? The first time I heard someone say that, I literally thought they were talking about the end of the day. :o) ]

Sunday, July 13, 2008

It's a Question of Power

These thoughts of "Am I too happy and do I deserve it" or "I'm miserable and I deserve it" are one of the reasons we fall to our knees in shame when people tell us we're evil for being greedy or "too happy" while others in the country, or more specifically around the world, look to us as Americans and say "those evil Americans are greedy and don't deserve their happiness". I throw down my 40-hour a week, low paying hourly job and yell "Bullshit".

Not only is it every person's right to be happy... or miserable if that's what they want or choose... but it's our right to feel proud of what we've accomplished or failed to accomplish. I know it sounds weird... why would anyone be proud of failure. Well, because if you fail that typically means you at least tried.

I'm tired of being made to feel guilty for being what I am while others want to take it all away and give it to someone else who didn't even TRY to make their own mark in the world. And when someone legitimately DID try and others still want to take from me to give to them, I feel jaded about the whole thing because tolerance is not pretty... why would I want to be tolerant... what I should be is helpful and caring of others from within MY soul... not forced into it by idealist, the government or fanatical nut-jobs who think they need to MAKE ME HAPPY by making me GIVE IT ALL AWAY.

GIVING is from the soul and it comes when it CAN come. TAKING is forced and evil and it comes from those who ARE greedy and have alternative motives. All the activists say "it's for the greater good of the nation and for those who can not do for themselves" but in reality it's a question of POWER. They want to take from those they feel CAN give (true or not) and play Robin Hood while holding their sword against my neck while I smile and say "Yes... take this from me... I don't REALLY need it... I want you to have it Mr. Compete Stranger because I looooooooove you and want you to be haaaaaaaaaaaaapy".

It's called communism... it's called living in a dictatorship... it's called prison.

Thursday, July 3, 2008

Use, Save and Replace

The more they push... the more I resist.

They're stupid... the ones who insist that we (the people of America) conform, tolerate and bow down to their ideals of what is "right" for people (as a whole... not as individuals) and what is best for those who are not even human.

I am human... and I BELONG on this planet just as much as any other creature... any plant life... any rock or sand found on the beaches. This is my planet and I will not move off of it.

I do not dump garbage in the forest... I do not let the water run for 10 minutes while I brush my teeth... I do not waste, kill or otherwise harm the environment. On the other hand... I am HUMAN and I exist on this planet with just as much right as anything else. I have the ability to use, save and replace what needs replacing... don't tell me I can't live my life.

We, as Americans, are generally cleaner, friendlier and are able to see into the future and know that the tree we plant today will help twenty years later. We don't thrash through our resources and then stand around wondering what to do... we use... save... and replace.

And stop telling me we need to change our country to be like other countries... have you looked at how they are falling apart?

Rant over...
May we each take the moment necessary out of this day and any day we feel the need to remember those who have gone before us in defense of our freedoms. Without them... we would not be "here"... we would be in chains. ~Bug~